JOHN WILSON (AUSTRALIA)

OZZIE ACTIVISTS FIGHTS BANKS AND COURTS TO SAVE HIS ESTATE

ozzie flag Dear Fellow Freedom Fighters,

It would seem that the Chinese real estate agents at L.J. HOOKER P/L Carlingford still intend to sell my dental surgery at an auction tomorrow .... in spite of the management of the Carlingford Bowling Club withdrawing the use of their club for the purpose after I told them that they would be accomplices to FRAUD and TREASON. I have learnt that anyone attending the auction will be thoroughly checked out by the NSW POLICE FORCE.

Wednesday, at the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT, the AUSTRALIAN JUDICIARY convicted me of "Public Mischief" and "Remaining on Inclosed Land" with "big fines" (as a female SHERIFF'S OFFICER told me outside that KANGAROO COURT ....outside because "Magistrate" DAKIN had the SHERIFF's OFFICERS remove me when I CHALLENGED THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURT when I was DENIED MY RIGHT RO TRIAL BY JURY. So, the BANKS are flexing their muscles by demonstrating that they CONTROL the COURT, the POLICE, the SHERIFFS ...not to mention the PARLIAMENTS. THERE IS NO WAY I AM GOING TO SIT BY AND ALLOW MY PROPERTY TO GO.

331 North Rocks Road, North Rocks is a SYMBOLIC LANDMARK OF DEMOCRACY. This is a stand for TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY....exactly as was the EUREKA STOCKADE in 1854 when six separate JURIES found the rebels had DONE NO WRONG, ie: by defending their stockade against attacking BRITISH TROOPS in a battle in which many were killed on both sides. The miners of those gold fields fought for their RIGHTS and they WON because the PEOPLE on those JURIES knew their RIGHTS, too. This is all about LIBERTY ....and we all know what PATRICK HENRY said about that.

Yours sincerely,
John Wilson.

PS: TO: L.J. HOOKER P/L's Board of Directors (no names anywhere on your website), ... c/- carlingford@ljhooker.com.au "As Sir Leslie Joseph Hooker said; “Real Estate is not about houses, it’s about people.” Les Hooker opened the first LJ Hooker office on Maroubra Road, Maroubra, Sydney in 1928. Initially, Les Hooker spent his time much like LJ Hooker agents today – meeting people, talking to them, developing relationships and gaining trust." ..... the beginning of "About Us" (www.ljhooker.com.au )

What's happened to this iconic Australian company? You now are nothing but a pack of crims ... selling stolen property and sabotaging Democracy .... all for a quid.. "The lust for money is the root of all evil" fits you to a tee. Shame. Shame.

Yours sincerely, John Wilson.

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  • OZZIES DEMONIC INSANE JUDGES

    ozzie flag Demonic Insane Judges and a Landmark of Democracy NOT FOR SALE
    To: dentalboardnsw@ozemail.com.au
    Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 9:56 PM

    Lisa Munro, A/Senior Solicitor
    for Crown Solicitor,
    A.B.N. 50 132 005 544,
    60 - 70 Elizabeth Street,
    Sydney, NSW 2000.
    Email: crownsol@agd.nsw.gov.au

    Dear Lisa Munro,

    Re: Your letter to me dated 16 May informing me that "Justice Adams heard a motion at approximately 10:30 am on that day (11 May 2009). Justice Adams made orders dismissing your claim (of False Arrest) and also ordered you to pay my client's (ie: the State of New South Wales) costs of the Notice of Motion and of the proceedings". What Evil Adams said is "not to be drawn into consequence or example" (Petition of Right 1627 ... entrenched Constitutional and, more importantly, Common Law in Australia).

    As you know, I am claiming False Arrest because I was arrested by the NSW Police when the Arrest Warrant stated the Grounds for Arrest as being that I failed to appear at the Burwood Local Court on 30th June 2008 whereas, in fact, I was there Challenging the Jurisdiction of the Court because I did not consent to be without a Jury and the "Magistrate" had me removed by the Sheriffs. Annexed to the Affidavit accompanying me Claim is a Court Transcript of that day showing those very events.

    Michael Frederick Adams similarly had the Sheriffs remove me from the Kangaroo Court of the NSW Supreme Court on 11 May 2009 when I questioned him as to why he was sitting on the bench when he is still under Indictment and had not yet been brought before a Jury for his denying John Bauskis John's Right to trial by Jury when Adams imprisoned John for 14 days for wearing a T-shirt saying "TRIAL BY JURY IS DEMOCRACY". Denying Trial by Jury is TREASON and Adams is guilty of TREACHERY for which the punishment is "Imprisonment for life" (section 24AA Crimes Act 1914). Bill of Rights 1688 (entrenched Constitutional and, more importantly, Common Law in Australia) says that "evil counsellors, judges and ministers did endeavour to subvert and extirpate the laws and liberties of the realm". Denying any Freeman the Right to Trial by Jury emphatically brands Australian Judges as evil.

    Again and again, the legal maxim of "He who betrays his country is like the insane sailor who bores a hole in the ship that carries him" comes to the fore. Lisa, you too have made yourself a party to this Demonic Insanity. You are a fool. I know you are a female but don't forget another truism...ie: "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?" Tomorrow, at the Hornsby Local Court, there will doubtless be another exhibition of this Demonic Insanity by a Magistrate, when I continue with my Challenge to the Jurisdiction of the Court as the NSW Police seek the denial of my Right to Trial by Jury to have me imprisoned because I am fighting for Truth, Justice, Freedom and Democracy against your sovereign Banksters.

    The Police and the Sheriffs are also insane, as they willing carry out the orders of these treacherous Judges and Magistrates. You are all mentally sick. You are all fools.

    Do you know the meaning of the word, "REPENT"? All law hangs on loving God and loving your neighbour as yourself.

    I grieve for you. You are a fool.

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson.

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  • ANOTHER OZZIE FLEECED BEFORE OZZIES TRAITOROUS JUDGES

    ozzie flag Dear Fellow Australians,

    John Bauskis is maintaining his rage to fight for all of our rights. Below is his latest effort. His experiences typify the frustrations facing us all when trying to have commonsense and common decency and common law resurrected in our society.

    What fools these frauds and traitors are who think they are our lords and masters....these judges and magistrates and police etc.....when are they going to UNDERSTAND that they are, at the very most, servants of the people.....but, what is more the reality, they are frauds and liars and criminals and traitors and fools? Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson.
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    Dear John,

    It is a pity you missed the circus at north sydney local court on the 13-5-09. As you know I was made a judgment debtor behind my back and without my knowing anything about it, I got an examination order from the court to appear to be examined, well as you know I appeared twice at the court, both time the registrar came out to the foyer and ordered me to go to be examined, both times I refused and wanted to know who made me a judgment debtor and on what evidence, so now we are in court at last, facing a female magistrate Corbett, I had tried to get my affidavits filed but was refused both times by the registrar, this time I was going to hand them direct to the magistrate, well you won't believe it but she didn't want to know.

    I tried to read out parts from it but no she didnt want to know, so it started, I was pressing to find out who judged me a judgment debtor, and she was blocking me every time, she gave me 3 documents to read, she said that they proved that I was a judgement debtor, an hour latter I was called back to the bench, and guess what the documents were, "notice of motion default judgement for liquidated claim" and "statement of claim" and my letter to the registrar and solicitor stating I had received the "statement of claim" and asking them to show me a contract etc. No contract no case, she must have known that there was no judgment, and it was all done with the registrar and the solicitor and she was covering for their incompetence, they all wanted me to apply to set aside default judgment and stay of proceedings, and since I refused they needed my CONSENT before they could do anything, so when I fronted her about her ridiculous assumption re these documents, she got quite upset, and asked me straight out,

    Will I consent to be examined, NO. Will I consent to apply to get the judgment to be set aside, NO.

    By this stage I also got upset and challanged her jurisdiction and wanted a jury to hear this case, that must have been the last straw, for she went haywire, If I was not going to consent to anything she will charge me with contempt of court, I asked her is it civil or criminal contempt? She would not answer, but went ahead and charged me with contempt and imposed a fine of $2000, to which I said that you can go fly a kite for I am not paying anything, I then started to pack away my papers and before leaving told everyone in the court that this is a kangaroo court that does nothing. these people are evil. They dont follow the rule of law or due process, they make up the laws as they go along, how can we get justice if nobody complys with the law? After I walked out I went to the office to apply for the transcripts, it will be interesting to see what is on them, just more evidence of the corruption going on, anyway I will keep you informed.

    Regards John Bauskis
    My E-mail address: siksua@hotmail.com

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  • TORTURE IN AUSTRALIA

    ozzie flag MEDIA RELEASE: MAN GETS TORTURED AT BEENLEIGH POLICE STATION /WATCH HOUSE!

    IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM PROTECTING US, OUR FREEDOMS & RIGHTS? OR IS IT STRIPPING IT FROM US? This man is one of many Australians being tortured in State cells, if they speak the truth. Action is underway to free a respected and honourable member of the community detained in high security.

    Family, friends and supporters of a respected, imprisoned Beenleigh member of the community, Mark Pytellek, have filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus in the Brisbane Supreme Court, to be heard at 10am on Monday (April 27th) in order to have this man released, and this injustice corrected. Mark Pytellek, who speaks at Private meetings, and assists people in the Community in times of trouble & hardship, has been subjected to torture at the Beenleigh Watch House. He was denied due process after being arrested last Thursday, 16th April 2009, at 5.38pm, at a police breath-test roadblock on the M1 Motorway.

    Mark objected to his civil rights & liberties being deprived, and the forcefulness of the police officers’ actions. He objected to the forced interrogation & intimidation, on the grounds that he had done nothing wrong, had not caused injury or damages to anyone or anything, therefore did not permit police to trespass on his partner’s private property (the car they were travelling in). He was subsequently dragged from the car and assaulted by police at the roadblock. Mark had not been drinking any alcohol, nor was he under the influence of any substance.

    Mark was subjected to further injustice the following day by a female Magistrate who took offence when Mark, for reasons of lawful protection, sought to name himself in court without the title ‘Mister’. Mark faces minor alleged traffic offences that already had been settled privately and lawfully.

    Mark has been transferred to the high-security Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre after being held 7 nights at Beenleigh Watch House on accusation of charges that would normally be dealt with by a summons. We urge the media to pursue this matter as we fear Mark has been targeted for standing up for and protecting all our human rights & liberties.

    Kind Regards …

    Contact numbers: Support team 0433 174482 or email me28888@hotmail.com
    Beenleigh Watch House (07) 3807 7770; Supreme Court Brisbane (07) 3247 4313
    Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre (07) 3212 0411.

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  • SOAP....BALLOT....JURY.....AMMO

    ozzie flag Dear Fellow Freedom Fighters,

    SOAP....BALLOT....JURY.....AMMO. The 4 BOXES for the DEFENCE OF LIBERTY.

    The first 3 BOXES are how TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY are upheld in a CIVILISED SOCIETY.

    "I spoke those words in February, 1971, at a student protest rally at University of Texas Arlington. Some guy standing on a short wall around some shrubbery spouted anti-war and revolutionary crap and tried to convince the crowd to take over one of the buildings. I said that wasn't the best course of action, but that wasn't what anyone wanted to hear and some knew I was a recent Army veteran. Some of the crowd called me a 'fascist baby burning pig' and shouted down everything else I tried to say. I left the area when they began throwing things. They didn't take over the building that day, but some time later they did. Cops came and students were arrested and expelled. The building was trashed, though not seriously damaged. It was discovered that the ringleaders weren't even UTA students."......Ed Howdershell.

    The SOAP BOX is for the expression of ideas and principles by any freeman who wants to go to the local park and get an empty box from a supermarket that was used for the delivery of soap to that store. Perhaps those boxes were once made of something stronger than cardboard. The freeman plonks the box on the grass in the park and stands on it so that his words may be better heard by other visitors to the park who want to listen to what he says. This is using the RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH to inform our neighbours of something which the speaker believes requires bringing to their attention. It is non-violent and meant to help bring about a remedy.

    The BALLOT BOX is brought out on the day we exercise our RIGHT TO VOTE for representatives from among us to go to our PARLIAMENTS where these representatives speak on our behalf in debates on issues which we believe ought to be thoroughly researched/investigated by them and legislation, in the form of an Act of Parliament that is called a STATUTE LAW, that is intended for "peace, order and good government" of the country, as a whole. Again, no violence is done to anyone. Once these STATUTE LAWS are enacted, it is the duty of other PUBLIC SERVANTS, such as Police Officers, Sheriff's Officers, Military Officers, Customs Officers, etc., to perform the tasks of administering those STATUTE LAWS according to the guidelines specified in their particular Job Descriptions. Should these PUBLIC SERVANTS find that someone has offended against one or more of these STATUTE LAWS, charges are laid by way of a SUMMONS/INDICTMENT in a Court where JUSTICE can be administered, ie: where a JURY of twelve of the accused's equals swear an OATH for "the protection of rights and the punishment of wrongs".

    This is how we come to the third box, ie: the JURY BOX. Again, there is no violence because we are still behaving as a CIVILISED SOCIETY. Thomas Denning, an English Judicial Officer, once said that "The purpose of a court in a civilised society is the vindication of men's rights and the enforcement of just causes." TRIAL BY JURY is the inalienable right of every freeman and only by the consent to be without a JURY from both parties to any action can a court proceed summarily, ie: without a JURY and a Judicial Officer is allowed to conduct proceedings.

    The JURY BOX is where the PEOPLE RULE, ie: TRIAL BY JURY IS DEMOCRACY. The JURY BOX is where the PEOPLE exercise their SOVEREIGNTY by creating and imposing COMMON LAW (the Law of the People, by the People and for the People) which, naturally, overrules STATUTE LAW. Edward Coke put it simply, ie" Common Law doth control Acts of Parliament and adjudges them when against common right to be void.". See read the attachment to this email entitled, "COURTS ARE GOVERNMENT" and see the video of one of my recent talks entitled, "YOU ARE THE LAW".

    When the TRIAL BY JURY is denied (as it is now being, here in Australia, by "evil counsellors, judges and ministers" who are "subverting and extirpating the laws and liberties of the people"....that is TREASON ..... and TREASON/TREACHERY is punishable in Australia by "Imprisonment for life".....but without TRIAL BY JURY, the punishment of that wrong is not available.

    Therefore, unless that RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY is restored to the Courts, immediately and in full, PEOPLE have no other way than the AMMO BOX to DEFEND LIBERTY.

    Unfortunately, EVIL-DOERS can be so determined to have their way that they disregard those principles and practices and they continue to STEAL and KILL and DESTROY.....and that is when the 4th BOX becomes the method of LAST RESORT.... the AMMO BOX.

    The AMMO BOX is the "FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE" method of WARFARE....because the EVIL-DOERS have declared WAR on the PEOPLE...and the PEOPLE have exhausted the CIVILISED REMEDIES. The absolute and final chance of non-violence is back in the Courts where, when TRIAL BY JURY is disregarded, the PEOPLE exercise the legal procedure of CHALLENGING THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURT. This procedure is intended to restore the 3 BOXES for the DEFENCE OF LIBERTY. When the Judicial Officers disregard the CHALLENGE to the JURISDICTION, the Court is a KANGAROO COURT and that is proof-positive that civilised remedies are no longer possible. The EVIL-DOERS are well prepared in their WAR AGAINST THE PEOPLE and have stockpiled weaponry and trained their armies of THUGS to do what they take sadistic pleasure in doing, ie: STEALING and KILLING and DESTROYING.

    NO JURIES = NO TRUTH, NO JUSTICE, No FREEDOM and NO DEMOCRACY. Patrick Henry said, "GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH."

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson, "LEST WE FORGET"

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  • A BLACKLIST FOR WEBSITES BACKFIRES IN AUSTRALIA

    ozzie flag It must have seemed like a good idea at the time. If you want to reduce citizens' exposure to dangerous and illegal activities online, why not gather up all the URLs for sites that promote such acts — child por_nography, extreme violence, weapon-making and so on — and have Internet Service Providers (ISPs) simply block them? Wouldn't that make the internet safer for families and children?

    Actually no, as the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) is finding out the hard way. The ACMA, Canberra's equivalent of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission, put together such a list and sent it to more than a dozen companies. It was part of a trial program to develop software that would allow Australian ISPs to block the sites. But to ACMA's evident surprise, at least one person who received the list handed it over to Wikileaks, an online clearinghouse for anonymous submissions of sensitive material. The ACMA "blacklist", as it became known, was promptly posted online, becoming a handy compendium of internet depravity in one convenient package — courtesy of the Australian government. After it was posted, a surge in traffic caused Wikileaks to crash temporarily.

    "It's the most ill-conceived pile of stupidity by the biggest bunch of cretins that I've ever seen in my life, " says Ross Wheeler, CEO of Albury.net.au, a regional ISP, referring to the web-filtering plan. "Every ISP that I know of has either publicly or privately said it's technically and practically impossible." The leak was further black icing on the cake. Among its more than 1,000 entries were URLs for child por_n, rape and bestiality sites as well as online gambling (some forms of which are illegal in Australia) and gay and straight por_nography. But many sites appeared to have been blacklisted almost at random. A dentist from Queensland, whose website had once been hacked into by a Russian purveyor of por_nography, was on the list. So was pet care facility MaroochyBoardingKennels.com.au and canteens.com.au, a site belonging to a school cafeterias consultant. "The only thing I can think of [that got me on the list] is that I have e-mailed schools telling them about my book and CD resource How to Have a Healthy and Profitable Theme Day," owner Jocelyn Ashcroft told the Sydney Morning Herald.

    And while the list in many cases appeared arbitrary at best, some selections appeared politically motivated at worst. Sites advocating legal euthanasia, Satanism and even Christianity were blacklisted. Initially, the minister for communications, Stephen Conroy, denied that the list on Wikileaks and the ACMA blacklist are the same, a denial that rang a little hollow when one of its partners, the Internet Industry Association (IIA), publicly condemned the release and posting of the list. "No reasonable person could countenance the publication of links which promote access to child abuse images, irrespective of their motivation, which in this case appears to be political," said IIA chief executive Peter Coroneos.

    More recently Wikileaks updated the list and the Minister acknowledged the similarities, but stood firm on proceeding with testing the internet filtering software. "Does the [leaked blacklist] mean we are going to stop blocking access to the sites? No. People can continue to put up the lists if they are proud to do that," he told a press conference in Sydney. "It is completely untrue that the leaked blacklist contains political content. This is a list which contains sites that promote incest, rape, child por_nography and child abuse."

    As a result of the scandals, several of Australia's biggest ISPs have now pulled out of the filtering software trials and urged the government to drop the plan. "It became increasingly clear that the trial was not simply about restricting child por_nography or other such illegal material, but a much wider range of issues including what the Government simply describes as 'unwanted material' without an explanation of what that includes," said Michael Malone, Managing Director of iiNet, an Australian ISP. He added that his company only agreed to participate in the trial to demonstrate that the policy was "fundamentally flawed, a waste of taxpayers' money and would not work." Critics of mandatory Internet filtering point out that in some countries, including China and Thailand, it's not only used to block morally objectionable content but those that are critical of the government. More to the point, many internet providers say blacklists don't work anyway: most illegal activity online happens via peer-to-peer networking, which Web filters can't block. "It's almost trivial to get around the filters," says Wheeler. "But I can't tell you how, because the government has now made that illegal."

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  • 331 IS AUSTRALIA

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    The story of 331 North Rocks Road is the story of Australia today...the story of the theft and destruction of human rights ... the story of how the Banks and Judges have triumphed, as “all evil will triumph when good men do nothing” (Edmund Burke).

    The story of 331 North Rocks Road is that of the Eureka Stockade ....with one crucial difference. In the 19th century of the Eureka Stockade’s stand against injustice, the courts were places where people could seek justice by the lawful judgment of their equals. Variable interest rates render a contract void for uncertainty and all foreclosures are illegal unless by the lawful judgment of a jury or when both parties consent to be without a jury.

    In today’s Australia, that right to trial by jury has been done away with....gone is the very substance of the Rule of Law. In 1854, ordinary people could defend their community against injustice and tyranny. Back then, people could seek the lawful judgment of their equals for the preservation of Christian values, when twelve free men asked “So help me God” to judge the facts and the law in the protection of rights and the punishment of wrongs..

    In today’s Australia, the Banks are unrestrained in their fraud and treachery as they control our parliaments, our courts, our economy, our churches, our schools, our media, our police and our sheriffs. Australia has become a Totalitarian State, where the Truth, Justice, Freedom and Democracy ...those noble concepts our ancestors fought and died for ... are, just like those gallant soldiers and sailors, dead and buried. However, am not yet dead. I will not give up on 331 North Rocks Road because I will not give up on Australia. How about you? So, wake up, Australia! Discover your rights! Learn how to protect yourselves, your families and your country! Lest we forget the sacrifices of past generations and fail in our duty to our children.

    Written by John Wilson,

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  • SCIPIONE: THUGS THAT MASQUERADE AS OZZIE POLICE COMMISSIONERS

    scipione Commissioner Andrew Scipione heads up the New South Wales POLICE FORCE to crush anyone who dares to stand up against the BANKS. They assault, trespass, imprison and prosecute anyone who refuses to surrender to the fraud and theft by the BANKS. They carry out the orders of the BANKS' operatives in the courts, the JUDGES, who are, themselves, frauds, liars, criminals and traitors. Under Common Law, the loan contracts of the BANKS are maliciously illegal and the JUDGES conduct kangaroo courts to foreclose on the victims.

    "Tyranny can only come to your door in a uniform" ...but these thugs don't stop at the door. "I'll kick the door in", is what they tell you when they trespass onto your property at 10:45 PM on a Sunday night when they come, with no warrant, to arrest you. "We don't need a warrant.", say they.

    If you tell the truth about BANK FRAUD and JUDICIAL CORRUPTION in an electronic interview, after they have illegally arrested you and bounced you around in a plastic dog box on the back of Police vehicle on the way to the Station, they'll charge you with "PUBLIC MISCHIEF" so that a fraudulent, corrupt and treasonous "Magistrate" will deny you your RIGHT to TRIAL BY JURY and imprison you more in some "correctional institution".

    They delight as the thieving BANKS steal and destroy your tools of trade, and steal your possessions, steal your patients' records, steal the files of years of work into Mercury Poisoning, destroy your livelihood, and destroy your standing in the community. Instead of serving and protect the People, they serve and protect the criminals.

    They care nothing about the pain they inflict on your family. They care nothing for the RULE OF LAW.
    They'll tell you, "We are just following orders.". What fools they are.
    Unfortunately, fools don't know they are fools.

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson.
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  • OZZIES TERRORIST POLICE

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    For anyone unfamiliar with one of Ozzies battlers against tyrannical Ozzie judges and courts without "TRIAL BY JURY" here is the continued story of the police thugs that attack an elderly professional man who they have stolen all his assets from in draconian court process's. Ozzie politicians ,police chiefs , complicit media and an EVIL judiciary HANG YOUR HEADS IN UTTER SHAME!!!!!!!!!!

    Dear Fellow Australians,

    Last night, Sunday 15 February 2009 at 10:45PM, two Police Officers from the Castle Hill Police Station came to my home. My wife was in bed and I had just finished watching a cricket game on television. The rang the doorbell while I was downstairs and I immediately knew who it was. Of course, it had to be the Police doing their usual menacing.

    I went to the door and opened it and locked the screendoor. I told them they were trespassing and they said they weren’t. They said they were here to arrest me for breaking Bail. I said there was no Bail and told them to clear off. I demanded to see their Warrant for Arrest. He said (186cm, thin, mid-twenties, skin-head, Constable Hewitt did the talking and his very short, very young off-sider never said a word) “I don’t need a Warrant. If you don’t open the door and come with us, I’m going to kick it in.”.

    I said, “Wait. I’m going to get a camera.”. He said, “That’s all right.” and I went downstairs for my little digital camera and recorded about 4-minutes of our exchange through the screendoor...in which I called him a “corporate thug” and said, “All this is going to the International Criminal Court. I shut the camera off, put on some socks and shoes and went out onto the veranda where Constable Hewitt and I continued our conversation. I then said, “Wait a minute. I’m going to make a phone call.”.

    He said, “No, you’re not”, grabbed me, twisted my arms behind my back and put me in handcuffs. I didn’t physically resist, at any stage, because that would have been an excuse for him to even more violently assault me. He used his mobile phone to report into his Police Station. He said, “We’re not going until my Supervisor gets here.”. He decided we’d go up onto the footpath, grabbed my left arm behind me and forced me up the driveway where we waited.

    After about 3 minutes, two more Police vehicles entered the street...one a king-cabin ute with one of those plastic dog boxes on the back. I said, “If you’re going to put me in there, you’ll have to take the handcuffs off me. There's not even a seatbelt in there. “...to which another Police Officer said, “I don’t think I will.”. I continued to tell the couple of Police Officers near me that they were “Gangsters”, “Banksters”, etc., and told them that “At Nuremberg, the Gestapo said they were only carrying out orders.....” and they just looked blankly at me. Meanwhile, what was obviously their “Supervisor” was talking to some of the other Officers and, after about five or six minutes, one of them came over to me and said, “We;re not going to take you to the Station.

    What we are going to do is send you a “Court Attendance Notice” in the post for you to go to court. You can stay here.”. The handcuffs were removed and, with a minimum of comment from me, they left and I went back into my house, made a cup of tea and watched a bit of television before going to bed. Early in the piece, I asked my frightened wife to phone John Bauskis and tell him what was happening. She asked Constable Hewitt, “Why are you putting handcuffs on him? He’s not doing anything to deserve that.”...but, generally, she was too stressed-out to say anything. What does all this mean?

    It means that the Police (not to mention the Sheriffs) are nothing more that Terrorists...oh, and the Judges and Magistrates, too, of course. My next Court date is 24 February at Hornsby Local Court...having been adjourned from 13 January when I demanded my Right to Trial by Jury, Challenged the Jurisdiction of the Court, and the Magistrate threatened me with the “Mental Health Act”. And so, the harassing and bullying goes on... and the Banks continue to steal and kill and destroy.

    Yours sincerely,

    John Wilson.

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  • OZZIE JUDGES DIDN'T JAIL ME TODAY

    ozzie flag Dear Fellow Freedom Fighters,

    This morning, in the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT, a new Magistrate (with name something like MAJOWSKI) was 45 minutes late coming into court and went into the usual routine of calling cases up and summarily (ie: NO JURY) making decisions.

    I tried to get my matter in with the "adjournments" but he told me "Go and stand at the back of the Court. I'll deal with your matter later." Then, after some 30 minutes, he called me, "Now, Mr Wilson, what is it you want to say?" (He must have been told who I was and to look out for the "TRIAL BY JURY IS DEMOCRACY" T-shirt with the Green Ribbon).

    I CHALLENGED THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURT and, he finally accepted the document to that effect.....but he staunchly denied that I had the RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY. Beforehand, Dr Andrew Katelaris asked me if he could say a few things in support of my CLAIM OF THE RIGHT...and I, of course, welcomed the idea. Andrew said he could add a "calming effect and try to reason with the Magistrate". I said, "Go for it."

    So, after the Magistrate and I had our little conversation for a few minutes, Andrew came up alongside of me and I introduced him as a "friend". Andrew speaks very well and, by his disarming and appealing nature, he got the Magistrate to commit a faux pas....he said to Andrew, "There are procedures to go through to Challenge the Jurisdiction of the Court." Well wasn't that a victory for us!!! Every other time I'd Challenged the Jurisdiction of the Court, Magistrates and Judges vigorously ignored and disregarded the whole notion.

    Now, here, a Magistrate has admitted that this legal procedure was genuine. Well done, Andrew! I had a few more very rational contributions to make and the Magistrate said he would have me dealt with under the MENTAL HEALTH ACT.....which I don't mind because I've already had two psychiatric reports saying that I have "high moral values" and am "of a superior intelligence" and not a looney, at all. This stirred Ray Lovett to say, "Are you threatening him?"...and the Magistrate ordered the Lone Sheriff's Officer to remove me from the Court ...to return on 24 February "for mention". So, there you have it .... another "put off" to a far distant date.

    Probably Magistrate Brennan will be back by then, who is a hard-core "establishment" person...in fact, that's why I expected to be imprisoned today, ie: with Brennan acting in his usual bullying manner. For those who want to read the earlierly prepared email, here it is:- If you receive this email, I will be "in custody", ie: railroaded by Australia's infamous Judiciary trampling all our LAWS and our LIBERTIES, to shut me up ...... but I am only one. In the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT this morning, a PERSON posing as a MAGISTRATE denied my that INALIENABLE RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY and then compounded the TREASON by disregarding the legal procedure of CHALLENGING THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURT.

    The BANKS and JUDGES are making it very clear that they will stop at nothing to DESTROY DEMOCRACY. TRIAL BY JURY IS THE ONLY DEFENCE AGAINST TYRANNY.....which is why the TYRANTS MUST EXTIRPATE TRIAL BY JURY. In the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT, that's exactly what they did.

    Where does the FIGHT GO from here? It, hopefully, will GAIN MOMENTUM.....but that won't happen unless GOOD MEN STOP DOING NOTHING. Our little group.... the COMMON LAW RIGHTS GROUP...is small in numbers but great in heart....and, through this email address, it can grow. The I Green Ribbon for Justice, in remembrance of John Lilburn ("the first English libertarian"), can act as a pure symbol of our intentions.....wear it, for all the world to see.

    Yours sincerely,John Wilson.

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  • OZZIE ACTIVIST THREATENED WITH JAIL FOR FIGHTING ILLEGAL EVICTION

    Dear Fellow Australians,

    Next Tuesday (13th of January, 2009) the NSW BANK POLICE will be prosecuting me in the HORNSBY LOCAL BANK COURT, using BANK LAWS created by the BANK PARLIAMENTS.

    There, a BANK MAGISTRATE will disregard LEGAL RIGHTS and LEGAL PROCEDURES, ie: those things that used to protect WE the PEOPLE under what-used-to-be the RULE OF LAW, to "convict" me and send me to a BANK PRISON. The BANK SHERIFFS will be there to ensure that the PEOPLE CANNOT EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS IN COURT IN SAFETY. AUSTRALIA is indeed a BANK STATE and PEOPLE are, as the BIBLE warned, MERCHANDISE, ie: no longer SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEINGS. Any PATRIOTS or DISSENTERS, who try to fight for TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, are efficiently DISPOSED OF, ie: gagged/fined/dispossessed/imprisoned.

    There is NO RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY in the BANK COURTS....which is only logical because JURIES NULLIFY BAD LAWS when TWELVE FREE MEN are empanelled as JURORS and ask "SO HELP ME GOD" in order for them to ADMINISTER JUSTICE. The BANK MEDIA do not and will not honour what-used-to-be the JOURNALISTS' CODE OF ETHICS. The BANK STATE is complete.

    It is, as Brian Wilshire told me on the air on 2GB, "Forget it, John. The bad guys have already won."
    BUT HAVE THEY?????

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson.

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  • BANKS AND JUDGES STEALING AND CONCEALING

    John Wilson Dear Fellow Australians,
    Australia has been turned into a POLICE STATE, in order to protect the BANKS and JUDGES. On January 13, 2009 at the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT, the NSW POLICE FORCE want a fraudulent Magistrate (ie: not lawfully appointed... ie: all Australian Magistrates and Judges are not lawfully appointed, because the Crown of the United Kingdom has no executive power in Australia and appoints no Australian vice-regals, either) to imprison me without TRIAL BY JURY for the concocted charges of "Public Mischief" and "Remaining on Inclosed Land" (both of which are sinistrally contrary to the truth and blatant contrivances to conceal FRAUD, THEFT and TREACHERY).

    On November 21, 2008, five Police Officers trespassed onto my wife's and my property and into our home to unlawfully arrest me (ie: no warrant of any kind), transport me in a plastic box on a Police vehicle to the Police Station at Castle Hill where they detained me in their "Custody Room", fingerprinted and photographed me, and refused to release me until I signed their Bail Conditions, which a female Police Officer had drawn up and "authorised". PLEASE NOTE: the POLICE have been given JUDICIAL POWER to ISSUE BAIL and to IMPRISON.

    This, of course, vastly EXCEEDS any JURISDICTION they are entitled to in a DEMOCRACY. ....because a POLICE STATE and a DEMOCRACY are diametrically opposites. Many other STATUTORY BODIES, eg: the Roads and Traffic Authority, the State Debt Recovery Office, Medical and Dental Boards, etc., have unlawfully been given power to arbitrarily punish PEOPLE by destroying livelihoods, cancelling licences, imposing fines, etc........they, too, fear JURIES.

    TRIAL BY JURY IS DEMOCRACY.....and....JURIES NULLIFY BAD LAWS. JURIES would smash the POLICE STATE.....would smash the TYRANNY... ..would smash the BANKS. JURIES would imprison the BANKSTERS for FRAUD and STEALING. ... they would imprison the JUDGES for TREASON....they would put the POLICE firmly in their place as being nothing more than PUBLIC SERVANTS. I have the irrefutable proof of this FRAUD and this TREASON...and I want to present it to a JURY..... but we are DENIED THIS, OUR INALIENABLE AND ESSENTIAL RIGHT to TRIAL BY OUR EQUALS .......and the THIEVES and TRAITORS escape JUSTICE. And so, the evil merry-go-round goes on .... only TRIAL BY JURY can end it. "If you don't fight, you lose". On January 13, 2009, in the HORNSBY LOCAL COURT, the NSW POLICE FORCE and the AUSTRALIAN JUDICIARY will continue to play their part in the SUBJUGATION of the PEOPLE and the DESTRUCTION of CHRISTIANITY.

    Yours sincerely,John Wilson.

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  • AUSTRALIAN PROTESTS AGAINST INTERNET CENSORSHIP

    ozzie flag Australians Against Internet Censorship

    The Australian government is currently quietly going ahead with plans to filter all Australian's access to the internet in a manner similar to the People's Republic of China and Iran.

    This is despite the facts that The filter will significantly slow down the internet for all Australians
    The filter will not be able to prevent distribution of illegal material anyway

    The filter represents a dangerous erosion of our freedom.
    So, before this terrible idea is enacted we call on Australians to
    get informed. get connected. get organised.and Stop The Clean Feed.

    National protests are being planned to increase awareness of the filtering plan and let the politicians know what we think of it. Check the Posters And Flyers page for ways to help spread the word about the protests.
    To help organise protests, go to our forums

    Melbourne Protest
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Time: 12:00pm - 4:00pm
    Location: Outside the State Library, corner of Swanston St and La Trobe St.
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=46838735931

    Brisbane Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Time: 11:00am - 3:00pm
    Location: Brisbane Square
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=42526399601

    Sydney Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Location: Town Hall Square, George Street
    Time: 11:00am - 3:00pm
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=49916537640

    Adelaide Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Location: Parliament House
    Time: 12:00pm - 4:00pm
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=39343300875

    Hobart Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Location: Parliament Lawns
    Time: 11:00am - 1:30pm
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=39329861995

    Perth Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Location: Stirling Gardens
    Time: 12:00pm - 3:00pm
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=45738419714

    Canberra Protest:
    Date: Saturday 13th of December
    Location: City Walk, Civic
    Time: 12:00pm - 2:00pm
    Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=38717743533

    WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP ORGANISE PROTESTS. VOLUNTEER IN THE FORUMS

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  • CAMPAIGNERS BRUTAL TREATMENT BY OZZIE'S LEGAL THUGS

    OZZIEFLAG By John Wilson.

    This morning I had my stolen property (including dental equipment) removed from Kennard's Self Storage at Wetherill Park where Firstmac was keeping it back to my surgery at 331 North Rocks Road, North Rocks. After the illegalities of 9 September with Sheriffs and Police, etc., and me being unlawfully arrested and imprisoned, my premises were vandalised and much of the contents taken. They left the place in a shambles with mess and broken glass everywhere.

    The dental equipment has been destroyed to a large extent and getting the surgery back operational again will be hard work and expensive. On this Monday morning (3 November), I am doing another barbeque from about 8:30 am for any willing helper who can do anything little thing to tidy up the place. I won't know exactly how much has been totally stolen...ie: not even in amongst the items I got back....for example, the lawn mower, the air compressor (dental surgeries don't work without an air compressor), computers, etc.

    Channel 9 said they would be there at about 9:00 am. When I found out where my stuff had gone, I faxed the chief executive and Kennard's and, on the third day, called in at their Sydney head office where I was treated extremely well. The fellow there had obviously looked into the matter and contacted Firstmac. He said he was still waiting on a response from them. Then a few hours later, he phoned me on my mobile to said Firstmac had agreed to release my property and there would be "no costs". his words were, "It looks like a win-win situation." I said I wanted to look at the stuff before organizing a truck, etc.

    I went to Wetherill Park and, again, the manager was very co-operative, cut the padlock on the roller door, etc. I then phoned several of the removalists on the Kennard's short list and $550-00 later the stuff is back at 331. The two Aussie blokes, who did the move for me, remarked that the breakages were excessive. I have the distinct feeling that Justice might not be too far away...but, considering the magnitude of the wrong the banks are doing, one can only pray. Surely, the executives for Firstmac must be beginning to see the wrong that they are doing with the fraudulent loan contracts and the kangaroo court dispossessions.

    Anyway, my mode, at the moment, is very positive. Not having earned any income in 7 weeks (ie: since 9 September), and with the looming huge expense to get the dental surgery going again, things are going to be a bit tight....but I wouldn't be dead for quids. Hope to see you soon.

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  • OZZIE MORTGAGE VICTIMS' CLASS ACTION LAUNCHED

    Judicial traitors PRESS RELEASE - 4th October, 2008.

    A CLASS ACTION is to be filed in the Supreme Court of New South Wales for victims of the unlawful dispossession of their property when Australian Courts have awarded Writs of Possession with no jurisdiction to proceed summarily, ie: without a Jury.

    The properties have been stolen, ie: illegally taken. The Right to Trial by Jury is inalienable, ie: it cannot be taken away and it cannot be given away. Trial by Jury is the foundation of Democracy, which literally means that "People Rule", and they exercise their Sovereignty,

    ie: the ultimate authority to make and impose laws, by way of the unanimous judgments of fully informed Juries who judge the law and the facts of actions brought before them. No court has jurisdiction to proceed summarily without first obtaining the clear and unequivocal consent of both parties to be without a Jury......and any awards, doings and proceedings so to the prejudice of the People shall not be drawn into consequence or example,

    ie: they are illegal, null and void....they shall be undone and holden for naught. A Memorandum of Consent has to be signed by both parties. Banks and Judges have conspired against the People in Kangaroo Courts, ie: courts that act unfairly or dishonestly or disregard legal rights or disregard legal procedures, to unlawfully steal and destroy. This CLASS ACTION will be by way of STATEMENT OF CLAIM supported by AFFIDAVITS from each victim volunteering no more information than
    (a) the address of the property taken from them,
    (b) the name of the party awarded the false Writ of Possession, and
    (c) the date as to when this happened. RELIEF sought will be total restitution and damages for loss and suffering.

    NO FREE MAN SHALL BE DISPOSSESSED UNLESS BY THE LAWFUL JUDGMENT OF A JURY. WHAT THE BANKS AND JUDGES ARE DOING CONTRAVENES THE RULE OF LAW. Naturally, no Judge will determine the CLASS ACTION....it will be Trial by Jury, as is our Right. People who want to join the CLASS ACTION should contact John Wilson at jhwilson@rightsandwrong.com.au

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  • OZZIE LEGAL ACTIVIST IN ENFORCED EVICTION VIDEO

    John Wilson Ozzie's top legal activist for change receives ILLEGAL notice of the theft of his land and property by the Australian crooks that have taken over their courts.

    Courts that fail to operate proper due process and trial by jury not the state lackeys who in conjunction with sheriff officers are fleecing Australians, like John, of their livelyhoods. A complicit media who fail time and again to report these crimes that John has so bravely stood up against.
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  • JOHN WILSON OZZIES TOP LEGAL ACTIVIST IN CUSTODY

    john wilson 20th August,2008

    John has asked me to send out this e-mail, I am one of his nurses at the Dental Surgery. This morning two police officers arrived at the surgery, with a copy of an arrest warrant. John had an argument with them at the front door, and told them that the warrant was illegal, due to it being issued in a kangaroo court, without his right to a jury.

    The police, after a frisk search, placed him into the police van and took him to Castle Hill Police Station. From there he was taken to Hornsby Local Court at Hornsby, they adjourned the case to appear in Burwood Local Court tomorrow, being 21st August, 2008.

    He is staying in custody tonight, I'm not sure where.

    If you would like to witness what is happening tomorrow, please attend Burwood Local Court

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  • AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES ATTACK LEGAL DEFENDER

    ozzie tax office http://www.ato.gov.au/
    INTERNATIONAL PRESS RELEASE
    ATTENTION OF James O'Halloran
    AUSTRALIAN TAXATION OFFICE

    We have received a letter from your office addressed to Mr. John Wilson .
    You should be fully aware that Mr Wilson is an activist fighting for legal rights in Australia and is part of our International groups involved in human right violations among other legal scams.

    Your threats in that letter are identical to similar threats from other sources that are part of a massive conspiracy within the judicial and legal systems of Australia to undermine individuals prepared to stand up to the utter tyranny your office is now involved in.

    You should be fully aware we have a large worldwide contact base AND that all mistreatment of Mr Wilson by the Australian authorities are being informed about on a daily basis. We write to inform you that any attempt by anyone within your offices or indeed anyone within the legal systems of Australia that continue to attack Mr Wilson and his right to fight for the legal process's he requires will be exposed as criminals who are using the laws of Australia to undermine,threaten and defeat the due process's that Mr Wilson has a right to , in Australia and especially in its corrupt courts.

    WE DEMAND YOU WITHDRAW ALL ACTIONS PERTAINING TO MR. WILSON IMMEDIATELY BEFORE FURTHER EXPOSURES SHOW YOUR OFFICES ARE AIDING AND ABETTING THIS TYRANNY. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH YOUR PART IN THIS SCAM MUCH LONGER.

    Dear Fellow Australians, I have just received a letter from the Australian Taxation Office.

    Here is the wording:
    Australian Government
    Australian Taxation Office
    30 July 2008

    Dear Mr Wilson

    RE: Warrant Issued On Wednesday 30 July 2008 at Burwood Local Court you were convicted of the alleged offences.

    The Presiding Magistrate issued a warrant for your arrest to bring you back before the court for sentencing.

    Should you require any additional information or assistance, please contact

    Yours faithfully,E. Besters(Elizabeth Besters)for James O'Halloran
    Deputy Commissioner of Taxation.

    On that occasion, I would not enter a plea, demanded my right to trial by jury and, when denied that right, I challenged the jurisdiction of the court. The "Magistrate" (Dakin, I think was his name) had the Sheriff's Officers remove me from the courtroom. I left, after ordering a transcript, and returned to North Rocks to treat patients. This letter is most strange.

    I have not heard anything from the Sheriffs about any Arrest Warrant. Yet, this letter came from the Australian Taxation Office. Of course, there has been no judgment from a Jury and I have never given my consent to be without a Jury. Therefore, any awards, doings and proceedings of this, or any other kangaroo court, are not to be drawn into consequence or example....ie: any "Arrest Warrant" is totally fraudulent....any yet they expect the Sheriff of New South Wales, Chris Allen, to direct his Officers to carry out this arrest.

    Again, I ask the questions, "Who does the Sheriff serve?" and "Will the Sheriff honour his sworn duty of care to ensure that people can exercise their rights in court in safety?" So far, from the judgment by the NSW Supreme Kangaroo Court on 26 June 2008, I have not had a visit from the Sheriffs to serve a "Notice to Vacate".... I told them that that judgment was illegal and void and, if they trespassed, I would turn the hose on them. Now this! Maybe they'll come to my home in the dark of night???? Without our rights... especially, our Right to Trial by Jury, we are nothing more than slaves/merchandise and Truth, Justice, Freedom and Democracy have been extinguished.

    What did our fathers and their fathers fight wars for?

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson.
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    BLACKTOWN COURT OFFICERS BULLY ELDERLY CITIZENS

    Dear Fellow Australians,
    Ray Lovett was released from Blacktown Hospital at about 4:00 PM yesterday and is now back home in Cronulla. The Blacktown Police did not attend Ray in the hospital to take a Victim's Statement, after Ray had phoned them asking them to....so, he will go to his nearest Police Station today.

    Ray, or anyone, has a Right to be in a Public Place...and a Court House is a Public Place. While I went to the Public Enquiries desk to order an audio tape of the proceedings in Courtroom No. 1 when I Challenged the Jurisdiction of the Court and Magistrate Pearce (a typically arrogant and insubordinate "Judicial Officer") ordered me to leave after he had set another date (16th April) for the Hearing of that matter (NSW POLICE -v- me, re: Driving while license suspended"). This is the third time in a row that different Blacktown Magistrates have adjourned this matter when I have Challenged the Jurisdiction of the Court....they are really scared to death of the prospect of a Jury determining Jurisdiction, ie: they are scared to death of having to face the People.

    Ray was waiting for me on the ramp leading to the area of the "Public Enquiries/Cashier/Sheriff". Then Sheriffs at both ends of the ramp started shouting a Ray, telling him to leave the building. Ray said, "Why?". He was not saying or doing anything. One Sheriff said, "If you don't leave, I'll throw you out.". Ray is not a fast mover, being 72 years old with a bad back. He was walking slowly towards the automatic doors when one Sheriff took hold of him and was walking him to the doors and, as the doors opened, another Sheriff rushed up behind Ray and brutally pushed Ray out through the doors. This caused Ray to stumble and fall against a solid steel post and then into a plastic barricade that separated the footpath from some roadworks.

    Ray was bleeding and in shock. People around him helped up and to sit of a low brick wall. An ambulance was called and the Paramedics took him to Blacktown Hospital. Ray was still violently shaking and distressed for the next hour. The medical staff at Blacktown Hospital were excellent in their caring for Ray and did not release him until they were satisfied with Ray's assurances that he was all right.

    I have been assaulted by Sheriffs several times and pushed out into the street.....but this time they did it to Ray.

    The thuggery and lawlessness of the Sheriffs will only increase, as more and more Australians learn of the Corruption and Treachery that has taken over in OUR COURTS.

    This story will not be told in any of Australia's media.

    Yours sincerely,
    John Wilson

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    PS: In the "Call-over Court" before going into Courtroom No.1, the Police Prosecutor, Mr. James, told me "I think you are an idiot."....to which I said, "We are here on Earth to help eah other."...to which he said, "You're only helping yourself."....to which I said, "You are a Public Servant"...to which he said, "So, I should go down and bow to you?". The Registrar was not very pleasant, either. JW.